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Sol Hando's avatar

When did utopian fiction get so terrible? Bellamy portrayed a future where a vastly reduced workload was done by industrial army, and the efficiency of centralizing production and distribution eliminated the need for most work! Morris gave us an agrarian anarco-socialist idylic life without the pressures of capitalism. Even Marx had an inevitable millenarian overthrow of the entire world (proven by the scientific history of dialectics) where the worker would be liberated, and rent-seeking abolished.

Now we get people whining about capitalism without the slightest conception of what should replace it, and if it's any better.

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Kryptogal (Kate, if you like)'s avatar

I enjoyed this piece a lot and am amazed you actually read the whole book when you hated it so much and thought it could be three bullet points.

I agree with about 80% of what you wrote, and respect that you are essentially straightforwardly and fearlessly arguing for Brave New World.

But of course, the points of disagreement are more salient. And I suppose they are not even so much points of disagreement on facts are things that are effective, so much as as values/desires/things we like.

So three questions:

1. If you think that an HFT tax is politically unfeasible, what on earth makes you think UBI would be? I don't see this ever flying, politically, and I don't understand why libertarian tech nerd types think it would be. Most people will just see this as welfare for capable people, which they will not tolerate, and would prefer to guillotine tech CEOs than go for this.

2. Why on earth are you so interested in more babies and more population when you literally think that 90% of people will be useless, unneeded, extraneous, angry, with low self esteem, and living on UBI? This is the one I really don't understand. Why not just want to expand/proliferate YOUR genes and be glad for the reduced competition from everyone else's? This completely mystifies me, I cannot understand this.

3. What's your solution for 80% of people feeling like bigger and bigger losers each year? (And btw I'd argue it's more than 80, more like 90% plus)? You just expect entertainment technology to get good enough to pacify them? This brings me back around to question 2 again...what's the point?

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