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The two interesting things to me are:

1) The successful in NWE choose to have more kids and accept downward mobility for some of those kids. This isn't a given, lots of elites have chosen lower fertility as the price to maintain status for their descendants. The moment they run out of conquests and the pie is fixed they start restricting fertility.

2) The English and Dutch were the most equal societies out there. Noble Rights, Merchant Rights, Peasant Rights, violence as criminal rather than civil matter. The winners of the English Civil War were people who wanted Puritan consumption ethics and the Roundheads were proto-communists.

It's generally been the most equal societies that produce the technological advancement. Tsarist Russia, the Confederacy, the Spanish Empire, etc didn't.

Even really good unequal societies today (say Singapore or Hong Kong or Dubai) are good at being tax havens and finance hubs, but aren't producing frontier technological development. Denmark gave us GLP1s.

Oh and those super unequal societies have terrible fertility rates.

I would posit the following:

1) Having a slave caste is really bad for a society, because it makes exploiting the slave caste rather then being more productive the path for smart people to get rich.

2) I think you want your top X% to simultaneously feel safe and uncomfortable. Safe enough to have kids and take chances. Uncomfortable enough to feel like kind of a loser if you don't reach your potential.

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I like billionaires, but I think it’s a bit speculative to claim there are just two options to choose from.

Second in the Han dynasty there were times with exceptionally low tax burdens and during the Qin dynasty land reform significantly reduced inequality.

Third I genuinely prefer empires over nation states, in the sense that I think empires at least have the potential to transcend made up national identities. But all of those are minor points. Also Prussia is an empire that introduced compulsory education and kind of didn’t really had the extractive tendencies you describe to the same extent. I would also like to say that Chinese history is full of policy changes in between empires. The 19. Century was not a period of decay in the sense that China saw extreme population growth. I feel sometimes you miss this kind of details and end up with a bit too strong claims. It’s also worth to mention that the Soviet Union had less inequality in part because everyone was poor but anyhow, that’s probably not a big surprise now.

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